wbeasleyatsmu
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Have you used both and in what way not referencing the os because there are A MILLION clones out there like the p800 tablet which sports the exact same interface with an android shell
IPad new generation vs blackberry playbook
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wbeasleyatsmu
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It was a reply to someone who said throw a different processor in it an upgrade the ram as if that were an easy task in the first place, if it were we would all be building our own tablets
Actually to answer your question of why iPad and not playbook, simple really. The iPad does what I want and other devices don't do it as well.
- I want to be able to read books and magazines on a high resolution screen. The iPad has the most support from most publishers. Chances are if you can't get it on iPad you just cannot get it.
- I want to be able to AirPlay my music and video without wired connections.
- I want to play a wide variety of games and I want to know there will be new ones for this device next year.
- I want to share my apps across devices. A lot of apps I purchased for my iPhone run on both my wife's iPhone and my iPad. We sync to one account. Apple let's you do that with 5 devices easily.
- I want a fast and responsive user experience. Playbook does but android really falls short here.
- I want support from the manufacturer. With my AppleCare+ warranty if my device breaks for any reason in the next 2 years I take it back to an apple store and they replace it no questions asked.
So yes all of that was worth $800 to me. Maybe not to everyone, but it is to me.
- I want to be able to read books and magazines on a high resolution screen. The iPad has the most support from most publishers. Chances are if you can't get it on iPad you just cannot get it.
- I want to be able to AirPlay my music and video without wired connections.
- I want to play a wide variety of games and I want to know there will be new ones for this device next year.
- I want to share my apps across devices. A lot of apps I purchased for my iPhone run on both my wife's iPhone and my iPad. We sync to one account. Apple let's you do that with 5 devices easily.
- I want a fast and responsive user experience. Playbook does but android really falls short here.
- I want support from the manufacturer. With my AppleCare+ warranty if my device breaks for any reason in the next 2 years I take it back to an apple store and they replace it no questions asked.
So yes all of that was worth $800 to me. Maybe not to everyone, but it is to me.
Seadog
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The iPad was built as part of a system that is over ten years in development. The iPod was no different than any other MP3 players until they introduced iTunes. Now iPod is the MP3 market. Next, Apple introduced the iPhone, which created public interest in smartphone, and introduced us to the app store concept. It is true that there are more Android smart phones on the market, but it is also true that 75% of the cell phone profits belong to Apple. It is also a fact that the iPhone is the most popular phone by far. Android is only ahead by the shear numbers of models available. The iPad is by far the number one tablet, because iTunes and the app store were already in place. In addition, when a tablet, smart phone, MP3 player or whatever, are built by the same people that make the OS, it is a lot easier to coordinate. Apple make iOS as a series of progression, not standalone units. And they work hand in hand with the hardware teams to maximize functionality. Google adds features and functions to the Android OS, but it is left to the manufacturers to make it work with their hardware. It is like the old days of car manufacturing. Many cars were built as frames and drive trains. The unit was then sent to a carriage builder who would put a body on it. Some great designs came out this way, but also some major failures. Henry Ford made cars affordable by consolidating manufacturing to a few designs that were built on an assembly line.
Google has a chance to compete, but not the way they are going. They have to work with their manufacturer associates and come up with a good basic OS. Then use the same basic program for future generations with a steady pattern of upgrades. Device makers should have as much input as possible so that they can have devices ready for all upcoming versions of the OS. Google has to limit the amount of customization by vendors, and set a hard and fast set of guidelines for minimum requirements of devices. They should also work a deal with Amazon to become the official app store of Android with improvements in how they are handled.
Microsoft should have a good product coming out, but I think it will fail with tablets. Like Apple, they will have two OSs, a mobile OS and a desktop OS. The problem is they chose to make the desktop OS work for the tablets. Desktop OSs are usually power hogs and it is doubtful that it will suit the tablet market. They are also going with a single interface over all devices. Touch screens and keyboard devices are not yet to the point where they can work well in both formats.
Google has a chance to compete, but not the way they are going. They have to work with their manufacturer associates and come up with a good basic OS. Then use the same basic program for future generations with a steady pattern of upgrades. Device makers should have as much input as possible so that they can have devices ready for all upcoming versions of the OS. Google has to limit the amount of customization by vendors, and set a hard and fast set of guidelines for minimum requirements of devices. They should also work a deal with Amazon to become the official app store of Android with improvements in how they are handled.
Microsoft should have a good product coming out, but I think it will fail with tablets. Like Apple, they will have two OSs, a mobile OS and a desktop OS. The problem is they chose to make the desktop OS work for the tablets. Desktop OSs are usually power hogs and it is doubtful that it will suit the tablet market. They are also going with a single interface over all devices. Touch screens and keyboard devices are not yet to the point where they can work well in both formats.
wbeasleyatsmu
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Those are all really nice features and I do like their product BUTTTT I wish the IPad could integrated the capabilities with a laptop as well as the innovation of a tablet where everything isn't an app but you could download files and use real software like xcode (which is a reason why i'm not a big apple fan I have a much stronger preference in VS 2010 soon to be 2011 but that is besides the point) or MS office. I hope that is where the tablet market is heading and with windows 8 os I pray to God everyday that the Windows tablet don't change their plans and will have all the capabilities of a laptop with the capability to upgrade the storage (like the icloud). Battery power is only going to be so much of a complaint. If I only have to charge it once a day and I can switch between a typical tablet interface to a desktop interface. Now THAT would be worth 800+.
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seneca18
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Already been done and there is zero market for it. Example the Asus Eee Slate, the biggest problem is you are trying to put a full blown computer and operating system (windows 7 windows 8) into a tablet. It is simply not practical at this point given technology and the customer market. The Asus Eee Slate price tag was over $1000. It is looking more like the Windows OS that will be put onto tablets will be a "compromise" between a tablet OS and a full functioning Windows OS. If they can pull it off, props to them, but if it fails they will be done in the tablet business.
Seadog
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Most commercial usage is still under Visual Basic. Visual Studio is a hog and gets very expensive fast. It is true that VS Express is cheap, but it is just a lure to get people started. The fact remains that these are programming applications and have no real point in a discussion of a device for consumers. The only connection to the iPad is in an app, and that is created on a full computer system. And it is not anything that will be applicable to a Windows based tablet either. Xcode is considered a rebust program and is usable cross platform. While it no longer supports PowerPC applications, it can debug iOS programs running on ARM processors using iOS SDK. IMHO, it is a lot less complex than the developer guide for Windows 8. Of course, I am not a deveoper or programmer, but I do recognize that programming is getting way too complex for there not to be limitations on who can work on what. That is why more people prefer to write apps for iOS. They know that there is less complexity and if they follow the rules, it will continue being effective with minor tweaks for years.
wbeasleyatsmu
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I know there is the eee hybrids but i'm not really a fan I want to see what a heavy hitter like Microsoft or Apple can do with a concept like that
wbeasleyatsmu
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To each their own, but thanks to onthehub.com I get the vs ultimate version for free and I do software development not app development. Given that there are more available features with VS than xcode. Like the microsoft sql server, microsoft sync framework, ajax framework, and the debugger is much better (atleast for the professional). Plus, stretching the IDE across 2 different monitors is nice not that it can be done with a tablet. Sure it typically costs a lot of money but it is a far superior tool in comparison to xcode. Last, not to get to far off the point of the thread but visual basic is JUNK I would rather use netbeans than VB.
wbeasleyatsmu said:
You are looking at this from a programmers perspective, so I have to say you have no idea what makes a good tablet. Any extra capability comes at the cost of increased complexity. While you and I may be able to deal with that (I used to be a programmer) it's simply not something the general public wants in a tablet appliance.
I also have an android tablet that with all it's additional capability for the OS over IOS is pretty much meaningless to me as a user. Though I most certainly recognize there is a market for such control, and I jailbreak when I can just not available for ipad3 yet :-(
HappyPelican
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It's really a matter of personal preference. I would like to add that it's extremely refreshing to read a thread like this and for the most part see an actual thought out discussion without name calling and resorting to the apple v android v blackberry war!
I may sound cheesy but this really is a great thread and I've learned a lot!
I may sound cheesy but this really is a great thread and I've learned a lot!
Seadog
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I won't go so far as to say Visual Basic is junk, but it is more problematic than it needs to be. However, it is used as a standard graphic interface standard for industrial controls. Like most things in life, companies use the most effective equipment, and hesitate to change the core components until forced to do so. Which is why I am still dealing with XP instead of Win 7. And it is not just the system providers that are that way. Users want commonality and smooth integration with existing systems. They know that the bugs are worked out of the older systems, so most do not want to migrate to newer programs, especially at the cost involved. You have to realize that by the time you upgrade all the hardware, and install all new programs, plus pay for the programming, you can get into six digit prices. Add the fact that working out bugs in programming can take months. When you have an operation that operates 24/7 and cannot be shutdown for any real period of time, it can be very chaotic. Especially if you are the one that gets called out at 3:00 in the morning to troubleshoot. And I am no techician.
wbeasleyatsmu
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That is certainly true but it doesn't change the fact that VB is EXTREMELY dated. You can run most things with Windows 98, but who would want to with reduced speed, capability, and support? It can be difficult for large companies to transition and is why so many government agencies still program in C. Even so, at some point a transition is always needed because they must have been using pascal or something of that nature before C. I'm not saying that there isn't a place for people who know VB, i'm saying there shouldn't be. Visual basic should have been taken out to the farm long ago.
Andyvalver
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It really depends on what you want to use it for and if you will use it a lot. The iPad is by far the best tablet out there but costs a premium. You might buy a blackberry playbook but end up wanting an iPAD. Hardware isn't everything. It's about the whole experience.
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