Thank you, both of the I pads doing it have not been updated due to not enough memory, mine on the othe hand is a little older, but I got the 64 size, sorry don't know my terms, it's not updated to ios8 because when I try it ask for, a 4 didgt code, that I have never set up, never needed it to update software before, but it updates apps just fine, I'm confused, again thanks for the advice, Larry