What do you mean by jailbreaking?
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Gzoladz
iPF Noob
mobi1 said:+1
Apple do not want people to understand internal bits of iPad because it will hurt their commercial interest.
The most powerful outcome of jailbreak is access to iPad's filesystem. It is nothing but Unix (a Debian flavour to be precise). Once you become a root user and know how to use a Unix computer, you can then
* figure out Apple did not invent a magical device, which is bad for their marketing.
* you understand the Geniuses in Apple Genius bar not so intelligent after all.
* you discover that Apple OS is not so virus proof as they want you to believe (the jailbreakme site uses an exploit in iOS which now Apple has patched)
* you can install cracked ipa files without buying from appstore which hurts their revenue and affects the appstore ecosystem.
* you can use the iPad as replacement of laptop which may in turn encourage you not to buy orver priced Macbook - again revenue loss for Apple
Technology savvy users are not in Apple's target demography. Apple loves fashion conscious and technophobes because it is easiest to fool them. So any jailbreaker is despicable person in Apple's world.
All true, but what percentage of users had not bought an ios device if it could not be jailbroken? Would that be a considerable number? Could it be that the possibility to jb is actually increasing sales for Apple?
Gzoladz
iPF Noob
No yet...Android is still too fragmented among devices and needs to catch up with the offer of apps.
Re the future of JB, as long as users want to do something that Apple does not let them, it will still live. Ios5 may patch the current vulnerabilities but it may open new ones.
Will see...the debate and the observartion of how the ios hardware and software has evolved thanks to and despite to the jb is very interesting.
Re the future of JB, as long as users want to do something that Apple does not let them, it will still live. Ios5 may patch the current vulnerabilities but it may open new ones.
Will see...the debate and the observartion of how the ios hardware and software has evolved thanks to and despite to the jb is very interesting.
Confucious
iPF Noob
Or it may not.
Speculation on the future of JailBreaking is like speculation on the next iPhone, usually totally wrong, but we won't find out until it's here.
We'll see.
thewitt
iPF Novice
What iOS 5 brings to the table is the ability for Apple to patch your device with small updates, frequently, to address any issues. Unlike today, when to plug a security hole they need to coordinate an entire new release, iOS 5 will allow nearly instant, wireless updates for any update Apple wishes to push to your device.
Sure, you can go offline, but if you want to play in the iCloud, you will be open to instant updates of the OS that have the potential of breaking any jail broken device at any time.
This is likely to cause the casual jail breaker to quit the practice altogether.
It will be interesting to see if Apple cares enough about the jail break practice to address it in this way. I can tell you they are being hounded by the developer community to address the problem.
Whether they do or not has yet to be determined.
-t
Sure, you can go offline, but if you want to play in the iCloud, you will be open to instant updates of the OS that have the potential of breaking any jail broken device at any time.
This is likely to cause the casual jail breaker to quit the practice altogether.
It will be interesting to see if Apple cares enough about the jail break practice to address it in this way. I can tell you they are being hounded by the developer community to address the problem.
Whether they do or not has yet to be determined.
-t
Confucious
iPF Noob
You will always get the option to refuse an update - it will make JailBreaking more interesting but I really don't see it as a major problem.
Where Apple are getting better is in new Hardware - they are making each new device more difficult to JB but older devices will always be Jailbreakable - newer devices might take more time, but it is a game of Cat and Mouse and the game certainly isn't over yet.
Where Apple are getting better is in new Hardware - they are making each new device more difficult to JB but older devices will always be Jailbreakable - newer devices might take more time, but it is a game of Cat and Mouse and the game certainly isn't over yet.
thewitt
iPF Novice
The complaint from developers is all about piracy. Some claim that their pirated downloads outnumber their paid downloads 1000 to 1...
Whether or not their app would be bought is not the issue, but the fact that the app is freely available on a pirate website to jail breakers is the issue.
The very lame "free advertising" argument is specious at best.
The fact that all pirates are jail breakers, even though all jail breakers are not pirates, puts a very bad light on jail broken devices and their owners. If the jb community was more aggressive at policing itself this would be much less an issue. As a group who tend to be anti-business, anti-profit and anti-establishment however, I don't see this attitude changing in the future.
In our own case we get support calls from jb users who don't understand that the problems they are seeing with their device has nothing to do with our software, but everything to do with their jb device. Our latest apps refuse to run on jb devices and we will soon update all of our apps to simply shut down with a message when we detect we are running on a jb device.
Though it's true we could then find our apps hacked to noop the tests, if Apple blocked the ability to easily jb we could ignore the issue and not have to spend development or support time dealing with it. Frequent updates with feature changes and modified jb tests in our own code for each release make removing our own tests time consuming and non trivial - though clearly not impossible.
-t
Whether or not their app would be bought is not the issue, but the fact that the app is freely available on a pirate website to jail breakers is the issue.
The very lame "free advertising" argument is specious at best.
The fact that all pirates are jail breakers, even though all jail breakers are not pirates, puts a very bad light on jail broken devices and their owners. If the jb community was more aggressive at policing itself this would be much less an issue. As a group who tend to be anti-business, anti-profit and anti-establishment however, I don't see this attitude changing in the future.
In our own case we get support calls from jb users who don't understand that the problems they are seeing with their device has nothing to do with our software, but everything to do with their jb device. Our latest apps refuse to run on jb devices and we will soon update all of our apps to simply shut down with a message when we detect we are running on a jb device.
Though it's true we could then find our apps hacked to noop the tests, if Apple blocked the ability to easily jb we could ignore the issue and not have to spend development or support time dealing with it. Frequent updates with feature changes and modified jb tests in our own code for each release make removing our own tests time consuming and non trivial - though clearly not impossible.
-t
GenerationX
iPF Noob
I think musclenerd said that a jailbreak for ios 5 would disable the automatic updates, so no worries there. About the piracy thing, a jailbreak developer said they could release a jailbreak that would prevent piracy,
but the piracy team responded by saying, they would release the same jailbreak with that feature disabled. Obviously their jailbreak would be more popular.
but the piracy team responded by saying, they would release the same jailbreak with that feature disabled. Obviously their jailbreak would be more popular.
Confucious
iPF Noob
Jailbreakers are very much anti piracy - if only Apple were too.
There is also a program I have seen advertised to install pirated apps on non-JB phones in fact pairacy does not require jailbraking at all.
If Apple were serious about piracy they would tackle it - not Jailbreaking.
If they need help there are plenty of people who dislike pirates more than Apple seem to.
A good place for them to start would be to read Oh no! Complicated stuff!
Please don't blame JailBreaking for Apple's lack of response to piracy.
There is also a program I have seen advertised to install pirated apps on non-JB phones in fact pairacy does not require jailbraking at all.
If Apple were serious about piracy they would tackle it - not Jailbreaking.
If they need help there are plenty of people who dislike pirates more than Apple seem to.
A good place for them to start would be to read Oh no! Complicated stuff!
Please don't blame JailBreaking for Apple's lack of response to piracy.
Careful Wolfie! You are not right on that I'm afraid.
Confucious does know what he is talking about. There is a way to get illegal apps on the device without jailbreaking which is known to those in the scene, and is hated as much as the other way.
However, in line with our rules we do not promote piracy, so the details shall remain off the public site!
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