What would it take to get you to buy an iPad 3?

[shcas9]

I have the iPad 1 and I do not see myself upgrading at all. I'm in school and the format for all the videos is in flash. So I will need to start searching Before the end of the year for something else. Sucks!! I love my iPad, but it's grossly inefficient for my school work. Boo!

 

[richsadams]

I did my homework. The multigestures were there when I bought the device and are not there any more. Apple, decided to disable them in iOS5 for iPads of first generation just to force people to upgrade...

Just as a point of reference, no, multitasking gestures were never part of the iPad's features (original or the iPad2). The feature was introduced in the development (beta) version of iOS 4.3 but never implemented until iOS 5. There was a small hack using Xcode 4 that would enable the feature on iPads running iOS 4.3.3 or 4.3.5 and there is a newer one that will enable it on the original iPad running iOS 5 (more here).

As others have pointed out, based on the latest dev release of iOS 5.0.1, it looks like multitasking gestures will be enabled on the original iPad with the next update in a few weeks.

 

[Victguja]

Just as a point of reference, no, multitasking gestures were never part of the iPad's features (original or the iPad2). The feature was introduced in the development (beta) version of iOS 4.3 but never implemented until iOS 5. There was a small hack using Xcode 4 that would enable the feature on iPads running iOS 4.3.3 or 4.3.5 and there is a newer one that will enable it on the original iPad running iOS 5 (more here).

As others have pointed out, based on the latest dev release of iOS 5.0.1, it looks like multitasking gestures will be enabled on the original iPad with the next update in a few weeks.

Probably you are right, I am sorry for not being precise enough but the point here is that while releasing iOS5 Apple made the decision to penalise the first generation iPads as well as older iPhones by not giving them the possibility to run the new features. These "old" first generation iPads are expensive devices less than two years aged from the first absolute release on the market. I hope you are right and they will correct this soon because I find this very bad practice for customer keeping as well as offensive versus the people that makes them gain the money. As I already said I like the straight, honest solutions and even if I still believe they are yet at the top I also believe that such a commercial politics will make them loose a lot of funs while their competition is growing up fast. I know a lot of people thinking this way...and I will go for other solutions for my next buy if nothing will change in their position soon.

 

[richsadams]

Probably you are right, I am sorry for not being precise enough but the point here is that while releasing iOS5 Apple made the decision to penalise the first generation iPads as well as older iPhones by not giving them the possibility to run the new features. These "old" first generation iPads are expensive devices less than two years aged from the first absolute release on the market. I hope you are right and they will correct this soon because I find this very bad practice for customer keeping as well as offensive versus the people that makes them gain the money. As I already said I like the straight, honest solutions and even if I still believe they are yet at the top I also believe that such a commercial politics will make them loose a lot of funs while their competition is growing up fast. I know a lot of people thinking this way...and I will go for other solutions for my next buy if nothing will change in their position soon.

Understood. It is frustrating when newer equipment will do more or perform better, particularly when the original iPad isn't even two years old. However to some extent that's really the nature of the beast. No company can offer backward support to hardware forever. That's really been a key part of Apple's tremendous success when compared to other companies that carry an excessive amount of baggage because their customers have been lulled into sense that they don't have to upgrade to get the latest and greatest.

In any case, millions of folks are happy with the "walled garden" approach Apple takes as the end result is hardware and software that "just works" - on a number of levels. That they've become the most highly valued company on earth is a testament to some wise thinking IMHO.

However folks like yourself that want to work outside of the "sandboxed environment" certainly have other choices. Best of luck with whatever you end up with!

Phew...took this thread way off topic...apologies. Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

 

[Victguja]

Understood. It is frustrating when newer equipment will do more or perform better, particularly when the original iPad isn't even two years old. However to some extent that's really the nature of the beast. No company can offer backward support to hardware forever. That's really been a key part of Apple's tremendous success when compared to other companies that carry an excessive amount of baggage because their customers have been lulled into sense that they don't have to upgrade to get the latest and greatest.

In any case, millions of folks are happy with the "walled garden" approach Apple takes as the end result is hardware and software that "just works" - on a number of levels. That they've become the most highly valued company on earth is a testament to some wise thinking IMHO.

However folks like yourself that want to work outside of the "sandboxed environment" certainly have other choices. Best of luck with whatever you end up with!

Phew...took this thread way off topic...apologies. Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

I don't think you took it off topic. This is reasoning around buying or not buying the next gen iPad. However, i strongly disagree with your reasoning. Disabling new iOS features for iPad1 is not part of the "walled garden" politics of Apple that I have accepted and I was perfectly aware when I bought the device. The "walled garden" meaning is to limit some freedom and or performances of the device in order to ensure control and simplicity. This worked great and I have appreciated it. Deliberately disabeling new features of the iOS on old gen devices is completely different because these old gen devices can perfectly run those features without any threat or significant performance difference with respect to the new gen devices. At this point, I find that the meaning of this action is simply make people pay for the new features of the iOS but without honestly saying that they are asking the money and even worse, without evenly distributing the cost on all customers. I have to buy a new Expensive equipment in order to run the same features that my old equipment can perfectly run. This is offensive versus the customers that trusted them. More than that, if I would sell my first gen iPad top model and by a new top model one I would probably spend around $250 if I am lucky just to be able to run the new iOS version. I find this a little bit expensive. Would you spend this money if they would really tell you that you have to buy the new operating system at this price and you have been picked up from a lucky series of guys that have to pay while others that have more recent devices will pay nothing for the same features?

 

[samch]

I'm not planning on getting the iPad 3 but things that might sway me are a much better screen ,siri, more memory, quad processor,better camera,bigger hard drive, but it would have to have all of these things not just one or two.cant see it getting thinner or having much of a design change.

 

[richsadams]

I don't think you took it off topic. This is reasoning around buying or not buying the next gen iPad. However, i strongly disagree with your reasoning. Disabling new iOS features for iPad1 is not part of the "walled garden" politics of Apple that I have accepted and I was perfectly aware when I bought the device. The "walled garden" meaning is to limit some freedom and or performances of the device in order to ensure control and simplicity. This worked great and I have appreciated it. Deliberately disabeling new features of the iOS on old gen devices is completely different because these old gen devices can perfectly run those features without any threat or significant performance difference with respect to the new gen devices. At this point, I find that the meaning of this action is simply make people pay for the new features of the iOS but without honestly saying that they are asking the money and even worse, without evenly distributing the cost on all customers. I have to buy a new Expensive equipment in order to run the same features that my old equipment can perfectly run. This is offensive versus the customers that trusted them. More than that, if I would sell my first gen iPad top model and by a new top model one I would probably spend around $250 if I am lucky just to be able to run the new iOS version. I find this a little bit expensive. Would you spend this money if they would really tell you that you have to buy the new operating system at this price and you have been picked up from a lucky series of guys that have to pay while others that have more recent devices will pay nothing for the same features?

Okay everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. So here are a couple of points and I'll leave it at that. AFAIK nothing was "disabled" on the original iPad with the advent of iOS 5. Second, we (at least I) have no way of knowing what "new" features that are available on the iPad 2 (or succeeding models) can and cannot be run on the original iPad. I have an Apple Developer's License and see the dev/beta issues of various OS's and I cannot say for certain why some features are implemented and why others aren't. Having worked with a number of their products for some time I'm comfortable that Apple's decisions are based on device performance and user experience, not planned obsolescence. We can agree to disagree on that. Anything else is just speculation.

Again, if folks don't like Apple's business model or products there's no better way to vote than with their wallet. Simple.

'Nuff said.

 

[richsadams]

I'm not planning on getting the iPad 3 but things that might sway me are a much better screen ,siri, more memory, quad processor,better camera,bigger hard drive, but it would have to have all of these things not just one or two.cant see it getting thinner or having much of a design change.

My guess is that they'll hit most of those marks. Only time will tell though!

 

[Victguja]

Okay everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. So here are a couple of points and I'll leave it at that. AFAIK nothing was "disabled" on the original iPad with the advent of iOS 5. Second, we (at least I) have no way of knowing what "new" features that are available on the iPad 2 (or succeeding models) can and cannot be run on the original iPad. I have an Apple Developer's License and see the dev/beta issues of various OS's and I cannot say for certain why some features are implemented and why others aren't. Having worked with a number of their products for some time I'm comfortable that Apple's decisions are based on device performance and user experience, not planned obsolescence. We can agree to disagree on that. Anything else is just speculation.

Again, if folks don't like Apple's business model or products there's no better way to vote than with their wallet. Simple.

'Nuff said.

Please just don't get nervous. This should be a frendly discussion isn't it? The facts are that the new features of iOS5 are enabled for iPad2 and disabled for iPad1 ( disabled not with respect to the previous iOS version but with respect to the equipment version ) and this is the reason that my comment seems to me still valid. Second, we know that the features are perfectly working on iPad1 because the redsnow hacks are clearly showing it. I disagree with the method, as I said, I like honest solutions but I can not not consider the results that are not speculation. I don't like to bend my eyes by myself. While for your last statement, I perfectly agree, that's the right thing to do and this is what we are talking about here: what would make us buy the iPad3?

 

[thebirdman7]

If what you said were true then we would see Siri on the iPad 2 because it has the power to run it. Additionally, apple did remove the new gestures from the ipad1 in this release but now they are said to be coming back for version 1 ipad in the next update. I love apple but I do believe they exclude new features from older hardware to sell newer hardware and with a feature like Siri you can see why, though I happen to believe they might sell more phones by releasing it for the ipad2. If you look at apple vs other phone manufacturers though there was an article on electonista the other day that shows how they are better at providing software upgrades on older phone models than most other phone manufacturers so I would still say we have it pretty good.

For me the higher quality display plus Siri might get me to buy the new one.

 

[Gabriel1]

If what you said were true then we would see Siri on the iPad 2 because it has the power to run it. Additionally, apple did remove the new gestures from the ipad1 in this release but now they are said to be coming back for version 1 ipad in the next update. I love apple but I do believe they exclude new features from older hardware to sell newer hardware and with a feature like Siri you can see why, though I happen to believe they might sell more phones by releasing it for the ipad2. If you look at apple vs other phone manufacturers though there was an article on electonista the other day that shows how they are better at providing software upgrades on older phone models than most other phone manufacturers so I would still say we have it pretty good.

For me the higher quality display plus Siri might get me to buy the new one.

Just as an aside, Siri, IMHO, may not come to the iPad. The reason, it needs to be connected to Apples servers to work and if you have a wifi only iPad it would be redundant all the time that you were without a wifi connection.

With regards to gestures for iPad 1, it was never provided by Apple natively so they can't of taken it away. They are now going to offer it in iOS 5.01.

Now, let's try to stay on topic, what would make you buy an iPad 3...........

The Archangel

 

[cathymack]

Just got my IPad2 but sooooo wish it supported Flash , so I guess if 3 supported flash that may tempt me to trade up

 

[Gabriel1]

Just got my IPad2 but sooooo wish it supported Flash , so I guess if 3 supported flash that may tempt me to trade up

It'll never happen, have a look at this to see why http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

The Archangel

 

[cathymack]

Thanks, that link to Mr.Jobs explanation was very informative and while I did't completely understand all of the technical details it did satisfy my curiosity and now your advice I will take........ I won't hold my breath.....thank you

 

[Kaykaykay]

Knowing what I know now, there is no ways I would ever consider buying an Apple product again! I have never come across such restrictive practices mainly to the detriment of customers. I am not denying that the iPad is a great piece of equipment and probably far superior to others, but when you cannot use Bluetooth unless you have an iPhone or even load simple programs like Flash for example then it is restrictive. The other bugbear is having to use iTunes all the time to manipulate photos. My android phone has better manipulation of photos than my iPad! Any one want to buy a second hand hardly used iPad 2?

iPad definitely has limitations. I live with them because it's the most usable tablet on the market right now for my requirements. I'd switch if there were a better alternative.

One good thing is, Apple stuff has relatively good resale value. Selling is easy: Post an ad on eBay or Craigslist, or on your Facebook page. This forum doesn't allow posts of sales, etc.

I knew the limitations of iPad going in, so I wasn't surprised. But I also was prepared to return my purchase during the return window, or to resell, if iPad didn't work for me. Whatever a sales clerk tells me, no matter at which store, I don't take as golden.

As for bluetooth, I haven't been able to pair my iPhone 4 or 4S, or iPod touch 4, with iPad. So I don't think bluetooth is an incentive to buy an iPhone. Of course, I have no real need to pair my phone or touch to iPad, because the camera kit and cloud do what I need.

As much as I'd like a genuine alternative to iOS, I don't see anything else that comes close for the whole package -- hardware, software and eco-system. My phone, touch and iPad work together amazingly well.