Will apps appear on iPad2 that won't run on iPad1?

[madhatter61]

I don't know nothing about it since I don't keep up with those updates. But I hope that won't be the case because to me that would be less than nice of Apple to do that. It would be their way of forcing people to upgrade to the ipad 2 Which right there is not right to people who hadn't had their ipad for very long.

Fixed up your language and spelling a bit. Hope you don't mind. But, to the point, iPad2 has just provided a major upgrade in the graphics department and the developers for gaming are going to take advantage of that and bring on some great games. The demand for the graphics support is tough for iPad so they will stutter, and pixelate ... shading and textures will not look near so good, etc. The key will be tagging so ipad owners won't buy gaming programs (apps) developed for better equipment. That's the real world. It is way it is ... arguing won't change anything.

 

[Sowellca]

That was part of what I was originally asking. Seems there should be a way of notifying iPad 1 owners before they purchase an app that will run poorly on their machine, that said app is optimized for iPad 2 and buyer beware, etc. Myself, I generally try to get some info about apps before I decide to buy them. But I've bought apps that weren't iPad apps, instead were really iPhone apps. Generally not a problem, but I like landscape mode and try to avoid non-landscape apps. In the case of the iPad 2 however, there may be a significant degradation in performance even though the app "runs" on iPad 1, it really "needs" to be ran on an iPad 2.

I'm not sure there won't be some angry people when they feel they've been led to believe the app will run fine on an original iPad, when in fact, it really may not run well at all.

Anyway, when I posted that, I was still on the fence whether to buy iPad 2 or not. I've bought one, so it's moot for me. Not the case for those that have the original though. And, since I passed my old one down to family, it matters to them.

Thus far, the app store doesn't have a feature that differentiates apps between iPad 1 and iPad 2, that I've noticed. That may result in impacts on customer satisfaction, and possibly, future sales.

Perhaps the apps should be labeled similar to how the * key indicates compatibility, maybe ** for iPad 2 or something. I want credit if they use the ** thing! LOL.

 

[Demandarin]

I know that you guys are going to keep this conversation civil, respectful and adhere to forum rules.

Right?

But of course ;-). Lol

 

[SweetPoison]

I know that you guys are going to keep this conversation civil, respectful and adhere to forum rules.

Right?

But of course ;-). Lol

I knew you would!

 

[Demandarin]

If you try to purchase the new iMovie on an iPad 1 you get an error message saying, "iMovie is not compatible with this iPad" and it wont download. You can make a hack and get the app on the original iPad but it won't run worth a darn due to the lack of graphics excelleration, twice the ram, and dual core CPU in the iPad 2.

And this is only week 2. More and more sophisticated apps will be released that only run on the new iPad. We can call it progress, or planned obsolescence, but it's the reality of computing devices.

Not completely true buddy. I have imovies on my ipad1 P it's runs perfectly fine with no slow down. Only thing is I can't take videos with my iPad and load them in since ipad1 has no cam. BUT I can still load my vids from my digital cam or phone and edit them in there. So for the record, imovies works perfect on ipad1. U just can't get it from the app store as it'll give u that error. There are ways and workarounds for this. I didn't have to hack anything to get it working. I just knew where to look. Samething with FaceTime. It can run on ipad1 also. Only thing is the other person can't see u but u can still see and chat with them. Better thn not working at all..lol. Garage band works fine also, as I have it. There's workarounds for everything, mostly, people. There hasn't been no real deal apps released yet to showcase and enable the true power of the ipad2 extra CPU increase and graphics capabilities. Photo booth may be the only one so far. Ipad2 updates of certain games like Infinity Blade, Asphalt6, and Dead Space still look nearly identical to ipad1 counterpart. As time goes on, more apps will take "Real" advantage of ipad2 stuff and those apps will most thn likely be started from scratch. Not rehash of ipad1 titles just because it has a minute amount of finer detail.

Not entirely true. How deep have you created projects in iMovie? It's not a matter of if it will run, but a matter of how well itnruns with complex projects.

GarageBand is a perfect example. I ran it on my iPad 1 and it was fine until I actually created a song with 8 tracks full of smart instruments. The app became almost unusable even after closing down all other apps and performing a hard restart. Most any editing operation, even just muting a track required the app to "optimize" the track which forces you to sit and wait while the play head slowly sweeps across your entire project. This made the app slow and frustrating.

On my ipad2 switching from instruments to the mixer is faster, and I never have to wait while the app continuously optimizes on fullsize projects. Everything is instant and seemless. (it does still occasionally save the project, but thats very quick) I'm sure the old iPad has to render the midi tracks to audio to make up for lack of ram, CPU power, and graphics excelleration, they just like to call it "optimizing."

It's a simple matter. If a future app needs a dual core processor, more ram, and 7 to 9 times the graphic acceleration the iPad 1 is just not going to cut it. Hardware does make a big difference.

Imovies for iPad is not the same as Imovies for the mac. Projects can only be but so complicated or complex running on imovies for iPad whether ipad1 or 2. You not going to make Steven Spielberg quality movies on ipad1 or 2..lol. I can see where u coming from though. Of course the faster speeds and processes of ipad2 will make those apps run smoother...not a news flash there. Plus my garage band doesn't run as slow as u making it seem and I have done 8 tracks with smart instruments. I know the optimizing part u talking about but it's nothing that's unbearable. I'd rather have it running on my ipad1 thn not at all. Like I said before, there are no " Real" apps started from scratch to take advantage of the real power of ipad2, it will though in due time. Don't down the original iPad cuz if it weren't for that, ipad2 would never exist. How soon people forget how revolutionary and record breaking the original iPad was. People too fixated on numbers and specs these days. What u gonna do once ipad3 rolls out and people owning those will trash talk ur iPad 2? Lmao

 

[Tarkio]

Not completely true buddy. I have imovies on my ipad1 P it's runs perfectly fine with no slow down. Only thing is I can't take videos with my iPad and load them in since ipad1 has no cam. BUT I can still load my vids from my digital cam or phone and edit them in there. So for the record, imovies works perfect on ipad1. U just can't get it from the app store as it'll give u that error. There are ways and workarounds for this. I didn't have to hack anything to get it working. I just knew where to look. Samething with FaceTime. It can run on ipad1 also. Only thing is the other person can't see u but u can still see and chat with them. Better thn not working at all..lol. Garage band works fine also, as I have it. There's workarounds for everything, mostly, people. There hasn't been no real deal apps released yet to showcase and enable the true power of the ipad2 extra CPU increase and graphics capabilities. Photo booth may be the only one so far. Ipad2 updates of certain games like Infinity Blade, Asphalt6, and Dead Space still look nearly identical to ipad1 counterpart. As time goes on, more apps will take "Real" advantage of ipad2 stuff and those apps will most thn likely be started from scratch. Not rehash of ipad1 titles just because it has a minute amount of finer detail.

Not entirely true. How deep have you created projects in iMovie? It's not a matter of if it will run, but a matter of how well itnruns with complex projects.

GarageBand is a perfect example. I ran it on my iPad 1 and it was fine until I actually created a song with 8 tracks full of smart instruments. The app became almost unusable even after closing down all other apps and performing a hard restart. Most any editing operation, even just muting a track required the app to "optimize" the track which forces you to sit and wait while the play head slowly sweeps across your entire project. This made the app slow and frustrating.

On my ipad2 switching from instruments to the mixer is faster, and I never have to wait while the app continuously optimizes on fullsize projects. Everything is instant and seemless. (it does still occasionally save the project, but thats very quick) I'm sure the old iPad has to render the midi tracks to audio to make up for lack of ram, CPU power, and graphics excelleration, they just like to call it "optimizing."

It's a simple matter. If a future app needs a dual core processor, more ram, and 7 to 9 times the graphic acceleration the iPad 1 is just not going to cut it. Hardware does make a big difference.

Imovies for iPad is not the same as Imovies for the mac. Projects can only be but so complicated or complex running on imovies for iPad whether ipad1 or 2. You not going to make Steven Spielberg quality movies on ipad1 or 2..lol. I can see where u coming from though. Of course the faster speeds and processes of ipad2 will make those apps run smoother...not a news flash there. Plus my garage band doesn't run as slow as u making it seem and I have done 8 tracks with smart instruments. I know the optimizing part u talking about but it's nothing that's unbearable. I'd rather have it running on my ipad1 thn not at all. Like I said before, there are no " Real" apps started from scratch to take advantage of the real power of ipad2, it will though in due time. Don't down the original iPad cuz if it weren't for that, ipad2 would never exist. How soon people forget how revolutionary and record breaking the original iPad was. People too fixated on numbers and specs these days. What u gonna do once ipad3 rolls out and people owning those will trash talk ur iPad 2? Lmao

To me it's not about the numbers, it's about how the hardware works for my needs. Upgrading any computer can indeed be the difference between pleasurable and "not unbearable."

 

[Demandarin]

Not entirely true. How deep have you created projects in iMovie? It's not a matter of if it will run, but a matter of how well itnruns with complex projects.

GarageBand is a perfect example. I ran it on my iPad 1 and it was fine until I actually created a song with 8 tracks full of smart instruments. The app became almost unusable even after closing down all other apps and performing a hard restart. Most any editing operation, even just muting a track required the app to "optimize" the track which forces you to sit and wait while the play head slowly sweeps across your entire project. This made the app slow and frustrating.

On my ipad2 switching from instruments to the mixer is faster, and I never have to wait while the app continuously optimizes on fullsize projects. Everything is instant and seemless. (it does still occasionally save the project, but thats very quick) I'm sure the old iPad has to render the midi tracks to audio to make up for lack of ram, CPU power, and graphics excelleration, they just like to call it "optimizing."

It's a simple matter. If a future app needs a dual core processor, more ram, and 7 to 9 times the graphic acceleration the iPad 1 is just not going to cut it. Hardware does make a big difference.

Imovies for iPad is not the same as Imovies for the mac. Projects can only be but so complicated or complex running on imovies for iPad whether ipad1 or 2. You not going to make Steven Spielberg quality movies on ipad1 or 2..lol. I can see where u coming from though. Of course the faster speeds and processes of ipad2 will make those apps run smoother...not a news flash there. Plus my garage band doesn't run as slow as u making it seem and I have done 8 tracks with smart instruments. I know the optimizing part u talking about but it's nothing that's unbearable. I'd rather have it running on my ipad1 thn not at all. Like I said before, there are no " Real" apps started from scratch to take advantage of the real power of ipad2, it will though in due time. Don't down the original iPad cuz if it weren't for that, ipad2 would never exist. How soon people forget how revolutionary and record breaking the original iPad was. People too fixated on numbers and specs these days. What u gonna do once ipad3 rolls out and people owning those will trash talk ur iPad 2? Lmao

To me it's not about the numbers, it's about how the hardware works for my needs. Upgrading any computer can indeed be the difference between pleasurable and "not unbearable."

Hey, bear witH me, I'm trying to hold out for ipad3. Your posts not making it any easier..lol. I can't front, I want an ipad2 bad as a Mofo ;-). I'm just defending the ipad1's honor..lol

 

[Tarkio]

That was part of what I was originally asking. Seems there should be a way of notifying iPad 1 owners before they purchase an app that will run poorly on their machine, that said app is optimized for iPad 2 and buyer beware, etc. Myself, I generally try to get some info about apps before I decide to buy them. But I've bought apps that weren't iPad apps, instead were really iPhone apps. Generally not a problem, but I like landscape mode and try to avoid non-landscape apps. In the case of the iPad 2 however, there may be a significant degradation in performance even though the app "runs" on iPad 1, it really "needs" to be ran on an iPad 2.

I'm not sure there won't be some angry people when they feel they've been led to believe the app will run fine on an original iPad, when in fact, it really may not run well at all.

Anyway, when I posted that, I was still on the fence whether to buy iPad 2 or not. I've bought one, so it's moot for me. Not the case for those that have the original though. And, since I passed my old one down to family, it matters to them.

Thus far, the app store doesn't have a feature that differentiates apps between iPad 1 and iPad 2, that I've noticed. That may result in impacts on customer satisfaction, and possibly, future sales.

Perhaps the apps should be labeled similar to how the * key indicates compatibility, maybe ** for iPad 2 or something. I want credit if they use the ** thing! LOL.

Apple has set the rules with iMovie. The fact that it won't install on the ipad 1 saying, "not compatible with this iPad" is a pretty good indicator that it might not run as satisfactorily as it does on newer hardware.

I'm sure future apps built for the iPad 2 will have similar warnings.

 

[Thphilli]

Apple has set the rules with iMovie. The fact that it won't install on the ipad 1 saying, "not compatible with this iPad" is a pretty good indicator that it might not run as satisfactorily as it does on newer hardware.

I'm sure future apps built for the iPad 2 will have similar warnings.

iMovie also basically only works with video shot on the iPad2, so there is an obvious reason why its not ported to the iPad. Importing video from other sources into iMovie is proving to be an annoying and complicated task for many people. iMovie obviously is meant to basically be a movie editor for video shot on the iPad, and nothing more. Not saying it isn't capable of more, but its certainly not "apple experience" easy.

 

[Sowellca]

Apple has set the rules with iMovie. The fact that it won't install on the ipad 1 saying, "not compatible with this iPad" is a pretty good indicator that it might not run as satisfactorily as it does on newer hardware.

I'm sure future apps built for the iPad 2 will have similar warnings.

That's good to know. Since I hadn't tried to buy it on iPad 1, I wasn't aware of that. I'm happy they have something in place to serve that function. The more I mess with this Apple stuff, the better I like it. Now, if I could just cut that umbilical cord with my computer, (to update, etc. Via iTunes), I could go all iPad and forget even needing a PC.

 

[iVan]

Apple has set the rules with iMovie. The fact that it won't install on the ipad 1 saying, "not compatible with this iPad" is a pretty good indicator that it might not run as satisfactorily as it does on newer hardware.

I'm sure future apps built for the iPad 2 will have similar warnings.

iMovie also basically only works with video shot on the iPad2, so there is an obvious reason why its not ported to the iPad. Importing video from other sources into iMovie is proving to be an annoying and complicated task for many people. iMovie obviously is meant to basically be a movie editor for video shot on the iPad, and nothing more. Not saying it isn't capable of more, but its certainly not "apple experience" easy.

Well assessed! I'll only add that movies on the camera roll of Photos can be used in iMovie. So it is possible to use iMovie as a very basic editor.

 

[Tarkio]

Apple has set the rules with iMovie. The fact that it won't install on the ipad 1 saying, "not compatible with this iPad" is a pretty good indicator that it might not run as satisfactorily as it does on newer hardware.

I'm sure future apps built for the iPad 2 will have similar warnings.

iMovie also basically only works with video shot on the iPad2, so there is an obvious reason why its not ported to the iPad. Importing video from other sources into iMovie is proving to be an annoying and complicated task for many people. iMovie obviously is meant to basically be a movie editor for video shot on the iPad, and nothing more. Not saying it isn't capable of more, but its certainly not "apple experience" easy.

iMovie is indeed capable of doing a lot more. Anyone who has a better quality video recorder than what's in the iPad will find the conversion simple.

You can download iPhone 4 video directly to the iPad/iMovie via the camera connection kit. Any other camcorder format can be easily converted to iPad format using one of the free converters available (I use MPEG Streamclip). Then import to iPhoto so that you can sync to the iPad via iTunes. The clip shows up in iMovie, ready to be edited.

I did several commercial rough cuts last week using H.264 1080p video from my full frame Canon 5DII. Since the video was down-converted from 1080p to 720p the video quality is excellent. I was able to download voice-over and music, mix the audio and demo the final video for a client all on the iPad 2. This is definitely a preview of some of the great apps that will be coming out.

 

[Thphilli]

iMovie is indeed capable of doing a lot more. Anyone who has a better quality video recorder than what's in the iPad will find the conversion simple.

You can download iPhone 4 video directly to the iPad/iMovie via the camera connection kit. Any other camcorder format can be easily converted to iPad format using one of the free converters available (I use MPEG Streamclip). Then import to iPhoto so that you can sync to the iPad via iTunes. The clip shows up in iMovie, ready to be edited.

I did several commercial rough cuts last week using H.264 1080p video from my full frame Canon 5DII. Since the video was down-converted from 1080p to 720p the video quality is excellent. I was able to download voice-over and music, mix the audio and demo the final video for a client all on the iPad 2. This is definitely a preview of some of the great apps that will be coming out.

Who is importing their video from their camcorder to their PC, then converting the video into an iPad friendly format, and then loading it through itunes onto the iPad2 for editing? I doubt very many people will do that. The people that even know how to do that will probably just use a more full featured video editing application on their mac or pc.

 

[hoshnasi]

iMovie is indeed capable of doing a lot more. Anyone who has a better quality video recorder than what's in the iPad will find the conversion simple.

You can download iPhone 4 video directly to the iPad/iMovie via the camera connection kit. Any other camcorder format can be easily converted to iPad format using one of the free converters available (I use MPEG Streamclip). Then import to iPhoto so that you can sync to the iPad via iTunes. The clip shows up in iMovie, ready to be edited.

I did several commercial rough cuts last week using H.264 1080p video from my full frame Canon 5DII. Since the video was down-converted from 1080p to 720p the video quality is excellent. I was able to download voice-over and music, mix the audio and demo the final video for a client all on the iPad 2. This is definitely a preview of some of the great apps that will be coming out.

Who is importing their video from their camcorder to their PC, then converting the video into an iPad friendly format, and then loading it through itunes onto the iPad2 for editing? I doubt very many people will do that. The people that even know how to do that will probably just use a more full featured video editing application on their mac or pc.

Exactly... I really want to take my simple mini hd cam and load
it into iMovie, no muss of fuss.