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Doctor Who, tonight: "Dinosaurs! On a spaceship!"

It's still on, here. Loving it so far.

Marilyn
 
I've been thinking about this for a while and I'm curious as to how other SF afficionados feel.

Science Fiction searches for a Utopian ideal, but consistently fails to achieve it.

In every case I can think of, the only way to achieve a harmonious, crime free society is to suppress free will and individuality.

Examples include EE Smith's Lensman series; great if you are a Lensman, not so hot if you are one of the masses, Ursula le Guin's anarchic society in The Dispossessed which was actually anything but anarchic, the Bladerunner (if you're not a cop, you're little people) and so on.

So here's the question. Did I miss anything? Has SF ever provided a model of complex, egalitarian society without destroying that which makes its accomplishments possible?

Over to the forum.

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How about the society that develops in Doc Smiths Subspace Explorers? I believe that they call themselves the Galaxians.
 
scifan57 said:
How about the society that develops in Doc Smiths Subspace Explorers? I believe that they call themselves the Galaxians.

I thought that was "The Galaxy Primes"?

In Subspace Explorers, I seem to remember an elite class of people with psionic gifts becoming the favored few. Nobody outside the psiontist class was really mentioned in the book, except incidentally as requiring the abilities of the main players.

The same theme also appeared in "The Galaxy Primes", again with the ESP theme so beloved of the Doc.

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I've been thinking about this for a while and I'm curious as to how other SF afficionados feel.

Science Fiction searches for a Utopian ideal, but consistently fails to achieve it.

In every case I can think of, the only way to achieve a harmonious, crime free society is to suppress free will and individuality.

Examples include EE Smith's Lensman series; great if you are a Lensman, not so hot if you are one of the masses, Ursula le Guin's anarchic society in The Dispossessed which was actually anything but anarchic, the Bladerunner (if you're not a cop, you're little people) and so on.

So here's the question. Did I miss anything? Has SF ever provided a model of complex, egalitarian society without destroying that which makes its accomplishments possible?

Over to the forum.

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This is a really interesting question. I wish I knew sci-fi better, to think on it.

How did the human civilization play out in Star Trek, beyond Star Fleet?

Is utopia meant to be achievable, or is it always going to be the unattainable "something better" that we're supposed to set our sights on?
 
If anyone one did write a science fiction novel about an achievable, and survivable utopia, it would be rather boring; don't you think? Utopias only make good stories if they either have tragic faults or are in the process of being destroyed because they couldn't defend themselves, which is another kind of fault.

If man ever does achieve utopia, it will mean he has decided to become extinct.

That's not to say that things can not be better than they are. There's a lot of room for improvement without loosing that necessary ornery streak.
 
The best society that man can achieve in any given set of circumstances is one that works at that time. As circumstances change, so will the definition of the best society achievable.
 
Mickey330 said:
Doctor Who, tonight: "Dinosaurs! On a spaceship!"

It's still on, here. Loving it so far.

Marilyn

I'm struggling with it going from dark and serious, like last week to having three comedians in this episode, I sense that many of the lines were written with them in mind rather than for plot purposes......however, it's still amazing......I was just waiting for Rory's dad to say "this season, I will be mostly wearing spacesuits"!

BTW, anyone noticed that you can recreate the sound of the Tardis by putting your car in reverse and pumping the gas pedal.....WARNING: this is certain to result in an accident rather than trans-dimensional travel!

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BTW, anyone noticed that you can recreate the sound of the Tardis by putting your car in reverse and pumping the gas pedal.....WARNING: this is certain to result in an accident rather than trans-dimensional travel!

Great. Now what am I going to tell the insurance adjustor? Wail.
 
If anyone one did write a science fiction novel about an achievable, and survivable utopia, it would be rather boring; don't you think? Utopias only make good stories if they either have tragic faults or are in the process of being destroyed because they couldn't defend themselves, which is another kind of fault.

You could create an outside threat like disease or natural disaster. But yes you're right: Friction is the stuff of drama.
 

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